You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.
I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.
Weird how that is, huh?
Well spoken, dubious fart.
The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don’t create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty
You’ll be happy to know there’s a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.
Socialists don’t hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.
Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.
middle class between what class and what class? the rich class and the having a great time class?
“wealth for many” yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they’re all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.
Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that’s weird.
Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist “democracy” due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?
Corruption isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
Reality has a Marxist bias
I’d prefer a Mutualist or Syndicalist system over a Marxist one. The idea of “self exploitation” doesn’t really make sense to me for most parts of the economy. Giving people direct ownership of their labour and making it illegal to sell that labour prevents the consolidation of capital while also preventing authoritarian overreach by a centralized system.
I’m an anarchist at heart, but I just don’t think it’s feasible to go from this capitalist system to an anarchist one, so an ml in reality. Apart from that I don’t really think about specificities about how society should be structured in the grand scale after a revolution.
Maybe the immideate material conditions means your structure makes more sense, maybe it doesn’t, it’s not really worth fussing about to meI’d argue Spain showcases a pretty good path towards a Mutualist economy with the way their laws are set up that incentivized worker cooperatives to form and become a major part of their economy compared to “traditional” corporations. I tend more economicly Anarchist compared to a full dismantle of the state in the sense that I would be mostly fine with everything pretty much the same, but with economic law set up to incentivize cooperatives and make it illegal to sell another’s labor.
I’d argue Spain wasn’t a good example, since it fell to the forces of reaction.
I know I’m being reductive and I appreciate your input, but I’m just trying to say that while there are many ways to approach the question of how society should be economically structured, it must be anchored in the material reality of what threatens your society, what opportunities and weaknesses and opportunities it has. I also gotta be honest that it is not a discussion that really interests me, as it is quite far from ever being relevant to me.
The discussion is interesting to me only insofar as to understand why the existing socialist countries are structured as they are. If you haven’t already seen it I’d like to refer you to this short excerpt from one of Michael Parents Talks https://youtu.be/uThpIDlfcBQ?si=OHOPASxctMMemkNGHere is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/uThpIDlfcBQ?si=OHOPASxctMMemkNG
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My experience has been the opposite. I’ve found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American, so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies as ‘left-wing’ instead 🙃
The liberals just aren’t used to actual left wing push back.
Same!
Where are these people you’re talking about, because all I see is a sea of red.
Because those of us that are center-right/right believe in less government. I wouldn’t trust the US government with my dogs health, let alone my own.
Cumming to my relentless trust for insurance agency middlemen.
You don’t have to worry about that if you have a good job with premium health insurance.
America is a sink or swim country and there’s no life gaurd on duty. If you want socialism/communism, just move to China, Russia, North Korea, or Cuba because that shit ain’t gonna happen here.
Sorry
The fact that public healthcare probably won’t happen is different from the argument that we should trust predatory insurance companies.
Plus you don’t have to go to China for public health care. You could go to Canada or the UK, obviously. And they’re capitalist as fuck. Although capitalism will likely get rid of their public healthcare eventually, they haven’t succeeded yet.
Russia is literally a Capitalist state.
Socialism is inevitable due to the contradictions and failures of Capitalism, whether you like it or not.
Those states fucking suck and no socialist or communist in the western world will tell you to envy them. Can I ask for a bit of social democracy (scandinavian governments) though, as a treat?
You don’t have to worry about that if you have a good job with premium health insurance.
And if you don’t have a good job with premium health insurance?
If you want socialism/communism, just move to China, Russia, North Korea, or Cuba
Ah yes, contemporary communist Russia!
Cuba’s life expectancy has surpassed yours m8.
I just wanna let you know, I’m an American leftist and I have that exact same distrust in government. I don’t want less government but rather none of it at all. Unfortunately, before that might become possible, a lot of the policies I advocate for do indeed require more regulations and bureauctats.
Anarchism is impossible, nature abhors a vacuum
I 100% agree but I still appreciate anarchism as a critical position. Not a system to actually implement, but a criticism of the corrupt nature of the current regime.
I’m not an anarchist but I’d miss their perspectives if they weren’t around.
Anarchist opinion: Anarchy is anything but a vacuum.
I hear you bro, It’s not that I’m not against having some socialist policies, I just don’t trust the people in power to enact them with the interest of the public in mind
I also think the problem with this world is overpopulation. If you have too many people, then some of them become disposable. Look at how corporate media is flipping out now that the birth rate has dropped.
It’s all about having enough people to exploit.
PS: I’m not the one that downvoted you.
Socialism is when the people take control and classes are abolished. So yeah I would hella agree I don’t trust the people in power to do it. I don’t want to do anything about the population of 8 billion, however it does clearly play into capital to have so many people to exploit.
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Bottom line to me is, no I don’t trust the government at all. Unfortunately the options are the government and private insurance. and seeing how the government is the only thing that stops them from charging super sky high premiums, and then find excuses not to cover anything when you get sick.
wealth for many
How many, exactly?
middle class
You mean like the big beautiful boaters
talks fondly about? Or the landlords that don’t generate any actual value but get rich by literally leeching off of others (who largely do actual work that generates actual value?)
If we liked capitalism, we’d still using Reddit
To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist
Markets don’t “create wealth”. People’s work creates wealth. Banks don’t create wealth, they create debt and allow more money to go into circulation than actually exists.
Regulation isn’t only desired, it’s crucial for any market economy to work, lest they devolve into corrupt, abusive monopolies and oligopolies. Granted, bad regulation can be equally abusive and real cases are plentiful.
Just as important as regulation is taxing who has more money, because generating wealth won’t automagically distribute it in any ideal manner. The worst problem nowadays is just how easy it is for rich assholes to legally evade taxes no matter which country they’re from.
Capitalism is just markets. My god. It all makes sense now.
Boot-flavored capitalist Kool-Aid must be so refreshing during such a torrid summer
I know Hexbear skews very, very liberal. I haven’t spent much time in other lemmy places.
