I have Sailfish OS, just got the new Jolla Phone and I am quite happy with it. Surprisingly daily driveable for my requirements. My phone isn’t a tiny laptop. Mic, IEM and camera work without issues. So does 4G VoLTE.

I know, its controversial for having some closed source UI parts (that are the reason why it doesn’t feel like a tiny laptop) but the Linux/GNU underneath is open source. To those who are not requiring 100% FOSS purity it is an interesting choice.

Sailfish OS does have that functionality already and is not Android based but it does get a lot of hate for having some closed source UI components. So I guess it is a matter of requirements and priorities

Name me a concrete phone model that has no significant compromises in hardware functionality. Maybe I missed those when I had a look into it.

The Postmarket wiki only shows a handful of devices where Call functionality is classified with “Yes”, rather than “Partial” or even “No”. Other than Pine Phone and Purism Librem that is only the Shift6mq from 2020 and four Xiaomi devices with the newest one being also from 2020, all of those have core functionality that does not fully work. Maybe that wiki is horrendously out of date but then this doesn’t do good service to give newcomers a good idea where the project stands.

BTW: I am not saying btw that postmarket isn’t interesting nonetheless to many people and a great project.

Yes, you can choose components and then you get something like the Pinephone. Do I really need to go on why there are substantial downsides connected to that?dann können Of course, if you sell 10 mio phones things get easier but that is ou of reach for any such project by a long shot.

Or which mainline Linux phone with acceptable hardware am I unaware of?

The kernel depends on the hardware. Trying to get hardware with mainline kernel support is hard and expensive. Mainlining isn’t the trivial task you make it out to be, otherwise postmarket would not struggle that much. Or tell me which device just works with postmarket OS?

Sailfish OS can work with mainline Linux kernels, it has been ported to the Pine Phone for example.

Sailfish OS can run on mainline kernel. The Jolla Phone does not run a mainline kernel because it consists of off the shelf phone components and those are for Android phones outside of the world of iOS.

Mainlining is anything but easy if you aim is a functioning daily driver and not a tinker project, especially in a team as small as Jolla’s with so many more urgent tasks.

PS: Angelfish runs just fine on my Jolla Phone.

I find it impressive how negative people tend to be because something is not pure enough, they talk it down even much more than the duopoly systems. Yes, Sailfish OS has some closed source UI parts, and you can’t just install desktop programs outside of the cli without running into problems. But running desktop programs, not optimised for mobile use are a terrible experience to begin with. This is a mobile device, not a desktop. If you disagree with that and want a desktop on your phone, there are options for you too, Sailfish OS isn’t it though.

That said, what surprised me most is how much I am in the terminal on the phone and enjoying it. You’d certainly not going to have that kind of experience on an Android, also not on a degoogled one.

What is so bad about the repairability of the Jolla Phone? You can have a look at the teardown on ifixit. Seems pretty straight forward and modular. Sure, Fairphone is yet better, not so much because it is so much easier to take apart but because of how extensive their replacement part store is.

Then get a Fairphone, that said, most of the people who have purchased the Jolla Phone have gotten 256 GB for 500-580 EUR. I personally got it for 580 EUR.

Which one of those Linux distros on Fairphone is as daily driveable as a phone as Sailfish OS?

There is no lock in, there are merely incompatibilities. You can install sudo, but by default there is devel-su which is pretty much the same thing. You can install rpms and if you don’t like pkcon you can install zypper as package manager. As long as you stay within the terminal emulator things tend to work.

There is a misunderstanding that desktop programs would be such a great boon for a mobile phone. But mobile phones suck with desktop UI. You need a mobile UI for it to make sense and that is exactly where incompatibilities are coming from.

I installed a community port of the qt6 based KDE plasma browser Angelfish for example and it is running just fine on Sailfish OS.

Who knows. It is certainly low volume but some who buy it with wrong expectations might bring it to the used market very soon, at least in certain numbers. The question is how much demand will be there, possibly more than supply.

The bootloader is locked by default. I am not sure if “verified boot” is something different from that. In developer mode the boot loader can be unlocked.

Bulldozing history is what revisionists actually want at least when it comes to the dark stains.

I am using Angelfish, the Firefox based Plasma Mobile browser on Sailfish OS. It works quite well there.

I don’t know the details but I woukd recommend using a service in the EU, that removes any double tariffs. I would think that you only pay VAT in that country. The ship forward service isn’t selling you the product, it is merely shipping you the product you already own. At least that’s how I understood it.

Pretty happy with mine so far and I am also new to Sailfish.

I enjoy having finally a terminal on my phone but also the very unique UI. More than I expected, actually.

Then look somewhere else.

There has been meaningful progress with many of the core apps. The camera app has been fully open sourced and the weather app too and if I am not mistaken also Notes and Gallery. Most of the system has been open source anyway. It is primarily the UI that isn’t and there has been no sign of that changing in the near future.

You can use a ship forward service, unlike for example Framework, Jolla does not appear to bother about that.

If you are in the US, there has been a first report about usability with an American carrier on forum.sailfishos.org

Slow entrance checks aside, the event went very smooth actually. After entrance I immediately got phone plus ordered accessories. I was not entireky sure they would make it in time with production but they did. And I am quite happy with the unit I got.

I can still see no sources backing up your claim.