Which is exactly what I was talking about. Uhura and Kirk kissing was appalling because it was two people being forced to engage physically against their will. The appalling part wasn’t that there was an interracial kiss, pushing the idea that, in the future there is no problem with interracial relationships or interactions.

It is a story about consent that also cements that racism isn’t an ideal upheld by the ‘good and socially advanced’ people of the federation.

I believe I misread, then. As I thought your commentary was on the idea that we SHOULD make their homosexuality and the feelings/beliefs of his people a plot point to be investigated and played out instead of seen as “in Star Trek, we’ve moved on from simple bigotry, we now do space bigotry” like I’d expect.

I, admittedly, haven’t seen the show (fuck Paramount, and my piracy days are on hold) and only based that on the initial comment which I thought to be in support of making the character’s sexuality their plot point instead of their journey/ambitions as a character driving their change and story.

Oftentimes I find that I prefer semi-episodic Trek, but having plots stay relevant isn’t so bad when it’s actually addressed. I hope they handle those this time around and that the series is on firm legs by the time I go to watch it.

Thank you for giving me more info on it

Moreso, in the same way Uehara kissing Kirk was a problem at the time, it’s not shown as a problem in the show, reinforcing that normal, sensible people already believe it’s fine. So in that same vein, make homosexuality and transexuality normal in Star Trek, and investigate bigotry through another allegory. As they often do

I think we’ve seen too much of Klingons being reasonable enough people when it comes to social issues that I don’t think that’s a path we should explore if only because there are other means of doing it.

Orville does it a lot like older Trek, which is to say, beats you over the head with a concept you may be experiencing in day to day life and shows the real world consequences of opinions around it. They have a storyline about a Klingon-like race that is strictly male (they sex change the babies if they’re not male), the ‘right’ opinion is very clear by how the main protagonists react, but they can’t just overrule another culture or people

In this way, they assert that the learned/educated belief is to let people be who they are, and restricting that only causes pain and trauma and the rift it tears in families can be massive. They flipped the issue on it’s head. “Forced sex changes” is the big fear Republicans in the US have been touting this last few decades, so now the uber-masculine species is forced to be all male and any disagreement is systematically squashed and discouraged. But it’s so painfully clear the Moclans are in wrong, and the tension of the show comes down to how systems oppress others and the limited options for outside entities to intervene.

Essentially my point is that people WANT a utopian show where the good guys are really doing good things and the universe is mostly on it’s way away from the troubles we experience in society today. Orville and Old Trek both asserted that some things have already been handled in Earth’s history, like capitalism and gender/sex discrimination, and that people who disagree are anachronistic and often farther behind in other technologies. Call the dumb people dumb on my fantasy show, and do it in a way that let’s the audience experience the issue without making it an opinion that holds ANY mainstream appeal outside of clearly-wrong fringe groups.

If it’s not a problem for Kirk to kiss Uhura then why should homosexuality be an actual contention point in Star Trek in 2026? Just give us another allegory for it and we’ll pick it up and move on