A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.
A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.
It’s very easy to project an agenda on situations like these. Surely, this happened because these were Israeli officers, right? Or maybe because they were males? They were probably carnivores, too! What if they enjoyed playing video games, possibly even ego shooters in their free time?
My personal agenda is rather that people in power are frequently unfit to live up to the responsibility. Not all cops are bastards, but some bastards are cops. This is a problem internationally, not specific to Israel. There may well be Israel-specific structural problems on top, which need to be explored to understand this specific situation.
Yes, we should condemn violence and especially violence from people with special power and protective responsibility (like police officers). But it isn’t obvious how this would directly translate to the state as a whole. In the case of Israel, doing so is even dangerous due to historic context.
For example, we can question ourselves if we give Israel the same treatment as we give to France and the USA (just to name two of sadly plenty of possibilities).
We absolutely should, if the state’s response to the misbehavior of it’s servants is too mild. Which sadly is likely, and again internationally so.
Yes its great what-aboutism you show. We are talking here about Isreal and the treatment of Palestinians who were there before the isrealites arrived on that land. And they are genociding them just like we (Nazi-Germany) did to them before. But we can’t condemn them for what they are doing now since they were victims of them before.
This isn’t about some cops doing some abhorrent shit to some people. This is about the continuation of the abhorrent crimes Isreal commit against Palestine!
This is an extremely wrong take. There are truly horrendous crimes happening in this conflict but it is not even close compared to what the nazis did in WW2. “Oversimplifications” like these are just relativizing the holocaust, nothing more.
Okay yeah you are right. Its not as concentrated as Nazi Germany did. Just more slowly.
You completely missed my point here. By making these comparisons you don’t show how cruel the current event is, you just relativize the holocaust itself.
Also where would you draw the line? Is the USA performing a holocaust on mexicans? I mean ICE separated kids from their families and locked them up somewhere near the border, “it’s almost like a nazi concentration camp”. While we’re in the US: black communities living in ghettos while being regularly mistreated by police and others? “Sounds like the Warsaw ghetto to me.” And what about LGBTQ people being persecuted, abused and killed by lynchmobs in muslim countries? “That’s basically Kristallnacht!”
Do you see what i did there? Are the things i mentioned cruel, awful and just wrong? Yes, of course. Are they somehow comparable to the darkest point in human history where murder on jews and other minorities was industrialized? Absolutely not.
Are all those things targetted to harm (mildly put) people of certain flock on the large scale? Yes absolutely. Also it was you who put the Holocaust onto the table, not me.
That doesn’t mean that this action should be compared to the holocaust or even to other genocides for said reasons.
What are you talking about in the following sentence if it’s not the holocaust?
Alright, i think it’s pointless, you either don’t get or don’t want to get my point. Keep on with your holocaust trivialization, it’s absolutely on par with the AfD Zeitgeist in our country.👍
I really don’t but whatever.
The Holocaust began with bullets and conquest of the East. It wasn’t all ovens.
The holocaust began even before the war but you completely missed my point here. By making these comparisons you don’t show how cruel the current event is, you just relativize the holocaust itself.
Also where would you draw the line? Is the USA performing a holocaust on mexicans? I mean ICE separated kids from their families and locked them up somewhere near the border, “it’s almost like a nazi concentration camp”. While we’re in the US: black communities living in ghettos while being regularly mistreated by police and others? “Sounds like the Warsaw ghetto to me.” And what about LGBTQ people being persecuted, abused and killed by lynchmobs in muslim countries? “That’s basically Kristallnacht!”
Do you see what i did there? Are the things i mentioned cruel, awful and just wrong? Yes, of course. Are they somehow comparable to the darkest point in human history where murder on jews and other minorities was industrialized? Absolutely not.