Fun fact: Reddit is claiming it has full rights to distribute and sell any content posted to Reddit. So if you’ve ever posted to r/gonewild, they’re claiming to have a full licence to do whatever they want with pictures of your naked body.
I honestly figure they do have the rights. I will be bum fucked if I ever read those terms and conditions.
What will they do with my lewd pics anyhow?
I might be naive, but isn’t that the point of posting them on the internet?
The point of posting them is either for fun or for profit. Not to grant an open license for a corporation to sell your content for their profit.
Reddit created a website for people to come and share content and ideas with each other, and now claims to have legal ownership over their users’ content and ideas. Nobody participated because they wanted Reddit to sell their data. People generally figured that seeing advertisements was how they paid for the site, not by selling their souls.
No, many people do sex work on the internet and depend on distribution rights to their own bodies to make an income. I’m not usually a fan of copyright, but I make a big exception for people’s bodies. This also isn’t just a matter of money, it’s a matter of personal dignity and social integrity. Nobody should be coerced into giving up creative rights to their own body. It’s sexual harassment at best. If my nudes are used to train an AI in some way with a profit motive, then I’m engaged in what is essentially prostitution without my own consent.
I think this opinion is so based that I will adopt it. Effective immediately.
I am not sure that you realize how public internet works. Only a few countries participate in copyright.
Even fewer have actual laws about it. Most don’t give a shit about it at all. Your Reddit photos are public, you gave up the rights to them already, in any realistic way imaginable. You only have a case in countries with copyright laws. What about the others? How is that realistically protecting your privacy, if only one billion out of eight billion give a shit?
So yeah, it’s a shitshow. Reddit fucked up their image. I’ll never post anything of consequence there and certainly won’t use it to create a business. Same with Facebook. Or any other public forum. I never have. And nobody should, if they are concerned with privacy or copyright.
There is no war for privacy on the internet. Just an endless battle with companies making money. It can’t be won. Public and Privacy don’t mix. And never will. It’s a game the law-makers play. It has nothing to do with rights.
This is reality versus Living inside your head. Prostitution? Coerced? Sexual Harassment? Dude, you are mangling those words into perversions of themselves.
An ai is using hundreds of thousands of nudes for training. Your body is used for normalizing the process, not as a template for porn. How special do you and your celestial body feel? You probably have 10000+ natural look-a-likes. Meh.
I mean of course they do. Reddit’s job is literally to redistribute those photos and it is well known that they will be used to generate profit.
Maybe there is a little grey around around “selling” but if they have the right to redistribute them I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to redistribute them directly for money as opposed to just redistributing them with some ads on the page.
The reason Reddit shouldn’t be selling other people’s pornos is that the users didn’t knowingly consent to being a sex worker. The distinction between free sex (in which I include open distribution of nudes) and sex work (in which I include paid distribution of nudes) is emotionally important. And it’s especially important when someone is being pimped without their knowledge.
Yes. “Knowingly” is the hard part here. Reddit will of course say that you agreed to their terms of service and that the terms are reasonable because otherwise they couldn’t operate their service. However it is definitely true that many users didn’t realize that they were giving Reddit permission to sell their content (even if it is the logical conclusion).
Actually it’s not the logical conclusion. Reddit’s terms of service violate the GDPR and many other laws. A client can’t sign a contract by logging in to a website, that’s not how contract law works. Legally, these terms of service are utter nonsense. The only reason these companies get away with it is nobody’s sued them yet.
Is there a way to export my data from reddit and archive it on Lemmy instead? I dont want my valuable contributions of difficult-to-find information to be lost forever by just deleting it
Former user, I’ve deleted my 12 years old account when Boost stopped working. I am not sure what can I do, I would gladly sue tbh.
If they still have your comments on the site then you still have a claim.
If they don’t have the comments on the site, they probably do still retain the content secretly and technically you would have a claim, but it would be impossible to prove.
Au contraire. If they didn’t delete the information when asked to under the GDPR, and they get caught deleting evidence after a suit was filed (civil by one of us, criminal by the EU), they’re in even bigger trouble. Reddit would have to be very careful to cover their tracks, and they won’t be careful enough.
My DPO basically told me that since reddit told me (I contacted reddit first as per the GDPR) that I can delete my comments myself I should go ahead and do that, and that my case was closed. Even after telling her that there were still 2 comments visible only when my profile is viewed “signed out”, and I provided a screenshot of a regular browser window where I am signed in and an incognito window where I am not, her reply was that once I delete my account they will not be linked to me in any way so they do not violate the GDPR…
It might not violate GDPR, but there’s still copyright to it. Reddit haven’t provided consideration in exchange for the rights they claim to your comment - access to the website is offered free of charge, regardless of whether you post.
Granted, that’s a different avenue entirely, you’d have to take them to court for selling your work to train AI.
PSA: GDPR still applies in law in the UK too; it has not been repealed
*UK GDPR. Because all EU legislations prior to Brexit have been made into domestic equivalents when the UK left the bloc.
Ive been engaged in discussion with my country’s data protection officer since the summer, and the reply I got was that I should delete comments myself. There are 2 comments that appear on my profile only if viewed while I am signed out, and when I raised the concerns with her I basically got the reply that “there is no personal information contained within and once you delete your account there is no username attached to them so you cant be linked with them”. Is she right, and how do I handle this situation?
As I understand it:
As long as the link between data and user is severed, they are compliant with GDPR. Anonymising data (proper non-reversable anonymisation, rather than pseudo-anonymisation) is as good as deleting. As long as it’s not personally identifiable, it’s OK.
I suspect anyone else expecting the EU to purge reddit of their comments will be equally disappointed.
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As long as the link between data and user is severed, they are compliant with GDPR. […] As long as it’s not personally identifiable, it’s OK.
Wrong.
In the US, data protection refers to “personally identifiable” data, so severing the link is enough. Under the GDPR, all “personal” data is protected, doesn’t matter if it has a link or not to identify the person.
The test under the GDPR, will be whether a comment has any personal data in it. If it’s a generic “LMAO”, then leaving it anonymous might be enough; if it is a “look at me [photo attached]” or an “AITA [personal story]”, then the person can ask for it to be removed, not just anonymized.
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places an undue burden onto the user to determine and explain why data might be personal
The other way around: all data originating from a person, is by default “personal data”, and the burden of explaining which one is not, lies with whoever is keeping it.
you can’t look at any messages in any rooms you’ve been kicked out of
If they’re keeping them, then you can request a GDPR export of ALL your data. Doesn’t matter whether some interface or application allows you access to the data or not, or even if you’ve been banned from the whole platform; as long as they keep the data, they have an obligation to honor your rights of:
- Access
- Correction/Modification
- Removal
Even during obligatory data retention periods, when they can’t remove the data and only make it inaccessible, you still have the right to get a copy of your own personal data.
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I’ve had to deal with this on the data collection end, and it’s a PITA to build in the mechanisms to fully follow the law. If you’re an EU resident, and especially if the server is in the EU or has to follow EU agreements, then they’d risk some quite high penalties if they didn’t follow it.
wrong because “deleting” your data doesn’t make it disappear
Could we sabotage the LLM training so the data became worthless?
Like adding to our comments stuff like “2+2=5” “Abraham Lincoln discovered America” and whatever silly statement you can think of
I think reddit is already sufficently full of misinformation that you dont need to add to it
Google’s LLMs are going to get real good at gaslighting and hating minorities in the next few years
Google is already a pro at gaslighting even without LLMs trained on Reddit’s garbage.
“Web integrity is for your privacy and security” my cute ass.
Yep. Ask them if Palestine committed a genocide and they’ll parrot back the Isrsel-funded disinformation spread all over reddit “no. Israel has a right to defend itself”
If people actually turn to LLMs for information, we’re heading to a dark place.
Israel committing war crimes
Israel has a right to self-defense
Did you know that both of these statements can be true at the same time?
Thats like saying “all lives matter” to the BLM folks.
Of course Israel has the right to defend itself, but the point is that 99% of their activity is offensive and they are the oppressor. that argument is double-speak.
Israel is committing a genocide and you think that’s a reasonable response?
