Like the Leia getting force powers out of nowhere in space. Sheesh.
Padme dying during labor. In an advanced medical tech universe. And the lamest explanation for it “she’s lost the will to live”…
Well that’s not how girls work and it’s quite a telling the script was written by a bloke.
I know we’re dealing with human aliens, but there is actually a thing called takotsubo cardiomyopathy, also known as “broken heart syndrome”, where your heart weakens as a result of emotional trauma.
It is rarely fatal, but deaths have occurred as a result of it.
It was explained in one of the comics that she died because Vader was unknowingly siphoning her life energy to keep himself alive.
The scene is still dumb and definitely needed a better explanation but it is what it is at this point
Never thought of this, you’re not wrong.
On the other side her dying because she lost the will to life… is kind of a good explanation for an unlikely death in such an advanced civilization.
Obviously they could simply keep her alive despite any actual medical condition. So what else could she die of… except for a spiritual (I don’t know a better description) reason.
Kind of a “so bad it’s actually good” explanation.
The only head canon that makes sense is that Palpatine drained her life force in order to bring Vader back from the dead.
The only head canon that makes sense to me is that Palpatine used Padme’s life force to bring Vader back from the dead.
“Somehow Palpatine returned”
Comedy gold. Literally in the opening crawl and then some background character was like “I don’t know, dark force powers, cloning or some shit” and that was all we got 🤣
I always said that opening crawl should behave been the movie. How Palestine came back, grew power, and the opening 10 seconds of him searching for the stones. That should have been half of the movie
Watch that and then the “By Grabthar’s Hammer, what a savings” line from Galaxy Quest.
It’s the exact same pained expression, but Oscar Isaac’s is real.
This was honestly so funny, it’s hard to be mad at them for just not even giving a shit. Yeah we could pull an explanation out of our asses that won’t make any sense, or we just throw that libe at people.
Palatine’s here, now stop asking questions and put popcorn in your mouth!
Leia using force powers isn’t really too unexpected considering she was as strongly connected to the force as Luke and Vader, but was never actually trained.
True but that scene was still trash. She should have died.
Either that or have hinted at force powers earlier in the movie at least.
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The hoverbike scene in Boba Fett. And basically anything to do with those teenagers gang members. Their bikes remind me of kitchen aid mixers meet the power rangers. The affects are so bad, the story is so bad the music is so bad. I don’t think I found one good quality in that scene. Except it made me laugh for how bad it was.
And there is another scene when they are on battle and one of them does a “cool” spin for absolutely no reason.
My assumption was they were trying to shoehorn in the gang as a throwback to greaser hotrod culture (by way of mod scooter culture) since George Lucas was into that when he was a teenager, but it was so jarringly bad in an already bad series that it just came across as cringy and laughable. It didn’t help that those scenes were filmed incredibly clumsily and all the scooter gang characters were annoyingly tryhard.
Boba Fett, every episode except the two that are obviously just The Mando eps, fit OP’s question. The show is so bad I bet fans stopped watching SW. It’s embarrassing. It’s complete and utter garbage.
“That’s a good question, for another time”
That another time never happened. Sums up the sequel trilogy. Lots of setup, but no payoff.
Hey, didn’t I cut a scene from one of those movies? Yeah that’s the one. I want to put it back in. let’s see. Ah crap, that guy there, what’s his name? Jab…Jaffa? He needs to be a slug. Can we change that? What the hell, it’s the 90s, we can find some computer nerd to do that. Needs to be bigger too. Like, erm, bigger than the frame? Will that work? Ah what the fuck keep him man sized, he’s a space monster he can change size or some shit. That bit there - whassname, Sulu, he needs to be standing on Jagger’s tail. Just make him stand on the tail. Cut him out and move him up and down it’ll look fine. Yeah sure, I’d stand on a mafioso’s tail - it’s a power move, they respect that. What’s this scene about anyway? Yada yada, removing the bounty, yada yada… yeah I remember there was something about a bounty in one of those movies. It all fits. It’s like I planned it all in advance.
I’d stand on a mafioso’s tail - it’s a power move, they respect that.
Straight from the book “how to make a boring scene more interesting without fixing the underlying scene layout problem that gave you the boring scene in the first place”.
Oh man, we can’t make Han look like the bad guy! Just a quick select -> translateX -20% should do the trick.
All of Star Wars?
Well… Lumpy, Chewie’s son, watching some kind of erotic show in the Holiday Special.
Isn’t it Chewie’s dad who was watching the weird porn? I forget which parts of the holiday special I remember and which parts are Star Wars inspired fever dreams.
Yeah could be, I feel the same
Wasn’t that Chewie’s dad?
Any scene with older Anakin and Padme. All those love scenes were just cringe
I like the fan theory that he unknowingly mind tricked her into falling in love with him, because that’s the only explanation for how she could fall in love with someone that makes me want to hide my face in shame out of cringe.
My own head cannon is that she never actually loved him but was convinced by Obi Wan to play the role to perhaps act as a stabilizing influence.
But soon she discovers that her erstwhile side piece is a psychotic man-child with the powers of a minor god. Now things have spiraled out of her control. There’s a legitimate fear that, it rejected, Anakin could become unhinged and lose control.
After a few years in a loveless marriage she found herself pregnant and, like in a lot of actual abusive marriages, latches onto that as a means of preserving a relationship that should have been allowed to mercifully die.
This is the only way I can reconcile the terrible performance from an otherwise exemplary actress. She was playing the part of a woman playing a part.
I like the idea (I don’t want to call it a fan theory) that it resembles a typical “first love” relationship. Whose first relationship / young love was not cringe and full of awkward situations (for bystanders)?
There are some.
The Death Planet ih the new trilogy destroyed the exact same way as Luke destroyed the Death Star.
The fact that they realized that “parsec” is a length unit, and they came up with a total bullshit explanation for “doing the Kessel run in 12 parsec”.
Nearly every maintenance infrastructure built like a giant death trap. The reactor room where Maul killed Qui-Gon, the scene where Luke realizes that Vader is his father, and so on.
The Kessel run thing was done in the EU books ages ago, but honestly I still liked the idea that Han was just talking out his ass (and obi wan’s expression actually works for this idea).
Each trilogy is pretty much a rerun of the last, blow up something big first movie - but oh no it was only the start. Finish with blowing up something bigger
Kessel run is really just a personal preference then, cause like it entirely fits the lore just you don’t like it so we shouldn’t?
A massive part of star wars is the aesthetic, and sure its not always gonna be 100% reasonable bit like those scenes probably wouldn’t be as interesting in a 4’ x 4’ storage closet in an office space
(also fits the empires idea of things need to look pretty on top, but beneath they couldn’t care less about health and safety, as long as they remain I power)
The Kessel run might fit the lore, but the lore was clearly added after the fact and it’s so much of a stretch that the black holes look like silhouettes that were made for me on the other side
She uses her powers to find Luke at the end of Episode V. (The scene you described is weird nonetheless)
There’s a scene from the OT that kills me. When they’re on Endor in the evening and Leia and Han are being “romantic” and it is some of the most soap opera dialogue in the whole series.
Its arguably not terrible when you read it, but watching it I was rolling my eyes. People love to hate on the Padme+Anakin romance but the Han+Luke+Leia love triangle is equally as hard to watch, in my opinion. If we’re going to give one a hard time we can’t ignore the other. Lucas just isn’t the best at dialogue
Leia holds back her tears as Luke slowly lets her go and moves away. He disappears onto the walkway that leads out of the village. Leia, bathed in moonlight, watches him go as Han comes out of the Chief’s hut and comes over to her. Leia is crying, her body trembling. He realizes only now that she is crying.
HAN Hey, what’s goin’ on?
Leia attempts to stifle her sobs and wipes her eyes.
LEIA Nothing. I - just want to be alone for a little while.
HAN (angry) Nothing? Come on, tell me. What’s goin’ on?
She looks up at him, struggling to control herself.
LEIA I…I can’t tell you.
HAN (loses his temper) Did you tell Luke? Is that who you could tell?
LEIA I…
HAN Ahhh…
He starts to walk away, exasperated, then stops and walks back to her.
HAN I’m sorry.
LEIA Hold me.
Han gathers her tightly in his protective embrace.
Funnily enough I thought it was worse when I read it. The actors at least made it somewhat believable. It was terrible though.
Most Jar Jar scenes.
The casino planet.
The Holdo maneuver.
Kylo killing Han.
Space popsicle Leia.
Some of these are just awful takes man, I’m sorry.
Like Jar Jar, fair enough, he’s shitty CGI, he has bad writing, and is a pretty weak addition to the prequels. Same with the Leia scene, it looks awful and ruins what could have been an impactful death, with an almost cartoonish feel at odds with the seriousness of the rest of the film.
But the Holdo manoeuvre scene is one of the most visually striking moments in the entirety of Star Wars. It has awesome sound design, great acting, it’s just a really impressive moment with real impact.
The scene where Kylo kills Han is also really well done. The lighting is fantastic, it has some great acting, again, great sound design and a really impactful moment with a lot of suspense, and Chewie’s pained reaction is unforgettable.
The casino planet isn’t a single scene and is more of a story arc, but the introduction of the Canto Bight casino is a pretty typical Star Wars scene, almost formulaic at this point, but is executed well - if you take issue with that one and not the introduction of Takadana, I’d be curious as to why.
I think the worst scene on Canto Bight is where Finn and Rose meet DJ, the hacker. It’s very awkward and stilted, the writing is pretty poor IMO, both the dialogue and the characterisation. I think DJ is a cool character and his writing is fine, but the scene itself and Finn/Rose’s behaviour is really strange.
I actually agree that the holdo maneuver was brilliantly shot, absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately for me it was kinda ruined because it made no sense in the context of the IP.
It’s like if you have horrible writing expertly delivered and acted, you can admire the actors skill but still the scene doesn’t hit for you. So I think it’s a pretty understandable take, as is really enjoying the visuals of the scene in the moment.
Yeah, I understand the perspective, I just feel like it’s a little silly. You can take almost any big moment from Star Wars and recontextualise it so that it makes no sense, but you can also come up with reasons as to why it could make sense -
Why did the Death Star have such an obvious weakness? Because the empire is arrogant and thought nobody would ever get close, or because the designer was incompetent, or because the designer was secretly a rebel (which Rogue One went with), etc.
The hyperdrive has always worked the way that the plot needs it to. It’s an often-repeated fact that hyperspace travel moves at the speed of plot. Pilots and ships seem to have absolutely different restrictions on when, where and how their hyperdrive can be engaged and how it works. We’ve been told that you can’t engage hyperdrive while in a gravity well, but pilots have done it almost as many times as pilots have been restricted by it. We’ve been told that ships can’t jump to hyperspace while they’re engaged immediately by capital ships and snubfighters, but similarly we’ve seen pilots defy those requirements.
We’ve been told that Hyperspace is an alternate dimension where objects have mass shadows and that things travelling through hyperspace have to stay away from those mass shadows, but there’s deliberately no hard facts behind how far away, or what would happen in any given situation, beyond “it would be bad”.
So clearly there are different kinds of hyperdrives, (WEG’s Star Wars RPG gave us hyperdrive classes, but they only control speed, not conditions of when you can enter hyperspace) different kind of pilots, different safety controls… the list goes on forever.
So the question for me becomes: why is this moment in particular the moment the hyperdrive jumps the shark for people? Why can’t we explain it away by saying, “a Holdo manoeuvre requires an incredible amount of control over a ship’s hyperdrive, at a level beyond what even the most powerful droid or astronavigation computer can calculate. Admiral Holdo must have either been force sensitive or incredibly lucky.” or “it’s only possible in situations where both ships have their deflector shields disabled, which almost never happens, but the special tracking ship needs to have it disabled or it can’t do tracking”, or “it’s long been theorised that it can happen, but it requires a battleship-sized ship with advanced shielding and hyperdrive for the mass shadows to conflict in such a way, and understandably few navies have ever been willing to risk a battleship to try it”, or any number of excuses for the scene to happen this one time in a way which doesn’t make it retroactively make us question why it isn’t used in every other space battle.
Yes, in retrospect, the movie probably should have chosen a reason and had someone (Poe, Leia, Rose, etc.) explain what happened, but that’s only with the benefit of hindsight. The writers probably didn’t think that the movie would get an unprecedented amount of criticism from right-leaning trolls looking to make Star Wars a battleground for the culture war for no particular reason, and thought it would make a compelling mystery and talking point for the movie. How did she do it? How does it work? etc. - which it did, just maybe not in the way they were hoping for!
Anyways, I’ve written way more than enough, but I hope I’ve given someone another perspective on the moment.
I don’t think it’s silly to be frustrated by it, also I think it’s fine to think it’s no big deal. This has been discussed pretty much to death by this point but I think what it comes down to is different people have different levels they are willing to take their suspension of disbelief to during a movie and that’s fine. For me, it was a frustrating but beautiful scene that seemed to cause a lot of important plot points even in other movies to no longer really make sense (why go for the death star exhaust with a fighter squadron when you can have a ship hyperdrive through the middle of it for example). Maybe I was already biased against it and it wouldn’t have been a big deal in isolation, but taken with everything else that had happened up to that point made it more frustrating, I don’t know.
Anyway, I’m glad you were able to look past it and just enjoy the scene as it was intended, I wouldn’t wish disappointment on anyone but unfortunately that’s mostly what I got from this scene and the sequel trilogy as a whole.
Disagree about the Holdo maneuver but I will say it really should’ve been Leia. It would’ve made so much more sense for her to go out that way.
Last three are all good.
The last film of the new trilogy as a whole. I’ve watched it three times now and I can not for the life of me remember the plot. There was a dagger thing and then Palpatine is in the end on a spooky crane and then they kiss and it’s weird. That’s seriously everything I can remember off the top of my head.
Vader flirting with Padme. It was horrible to watch and requires parents to correct the lessons immediately. A generation of men learned to flirt with women that way.
BOOO
A generation of George Lucas’s thought that was peak romantic dialog.
Which is wild to me because it seems really obvious to me that it’s intentionally cringy dialogue.
Anakin Skywalker is a cringy edgy teenager for a lot of that. That’s like, a major part of his character.
When they gave Yoda a lightsaber for the first time. Most iconic character ruined.
