The Motorola Signoture phone has finally released… And it’s utterly expensive with a price pf $1600. Jeez. Only the rich can get privacy, I guess. Might as well buy the outdated Pixel 10

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    Motorola is on the official UN company list that supports genocide and aiding the IDF with killing / displacing indigenous Palestinians and Lebanese civilians.

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      Lenovo’s Motorola Mobility LLC makes the Signature 27. Motorola Solutions, Inc. and subsidiaries have been separate since 2011.

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        if you feel comfortable giving your hard earned money to a company that is blacklisted by the United Nations for participation of a genocide of kids,— yes israel is literally killing children and Motorola is actively participating in that.

        Then nothing i say as an answer to your question will matter.

        Note: you can see the UN listed two motorolla entities, one is an israel subsidiary that was created to wash the corporate name, but then further investigation clearly established that the mother corporation is still supplying IDF with technology to continue performing terrorist state activity.

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          Two legal entities doesn’t mean they’re washing their corporate name, both are still called Motorola. It’s completely normal to have subsidiaries for countries you have employees or do a lot of business in, it greatly simplifies accounting. It’s even normal to have subsidiaries for your different business activities. I suspect Motorola is actually quite proud of their work in Israel, it’s an American company after all.

          Buying a phone from Motorola Mobility, a completely unrelated company owned by the Chinese spyware company Lenovo, gives money to neither of those companies.

          Instead, you’d want to avoid using telecoms that use Motorola tech. In North America that includes Verizon, AT&T, Bell, Rogers and Telus, possibly others. Europe has too many to even find.

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            Chinese spyware company Lenovo

            I’d much rather give my data to a Chinese company than a USian one.

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          Yes I understand all of that. I also understand that Motorola is a large conglomerate with several separate corporate divisions that are largely unrelated, so the buisness of one division has no effect on another.

          But if you feel comfortable with mearly performic symbols of ineffective action, nothing I can say will matter to you.

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            As i said earlier nothing i would say will matter to you if you think boycotting a UN blacklisted corporate is debatable

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              But you aren’t boycotting Motorola Solutions.
              You’re boycotting Motorola Mobility.

              They’re two seperate and unrelated companies.

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      And why exactly should I care?

      As if your phone or whatever else hardware (And especially software) you own or use is “clean”.

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          Wow, what an intelligent take. Impressive. Go change the worl, boycott a thing you don’t really need and feel superior. As if I’d care 😁

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            no one is forcing you to care.

            it just when you scream that you don’t care about children being bombed to pieces in schools and hospitals, this shows who you really are on a human level.

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              I didn’t “scream”. That’d be literally the opposite of “i don’t care” :-) So Motorola is evil. What about brands that indirectly murder adults? or exploit children as work-force? Or are suppliers of war-machinery? Or just make lenses for scopes that are exclusively to kill people. Noone REALLY cares. All those brands are still fully operational. Chiquita bananas are still everywhere, to just name one. Whatever any brand does, it’s forgotten tomorrow, money is king and will always triumph over morals. Like it or not (I don’t btw). Your opinion and boycott won’t make the slightest difference in the end.

              I’m old enough to have seen tons of those “protests” and “boycotts” of oh-so-evil-companies come and especially go again. This one will be no different.

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                What about bla bla bla.

                anyone can tell that your brain is having a hard time comprehending what a genocide means, maybe go educate yourself a bit, instead of screaming that you dont care about a filthy terrorist state like Israel then trying to justify working with companies to ethnically cleanse children.

                Or maybe you are just filthy Zionist, justifying killing childrens.

                either way STFU.

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                  Lol.

                  Go boycott a brand, I don’t give a shit. Do you care so much for ALL genocide or only those that affect you? And does it go beyond boycotting things you don’t need or can’t afford anyway? Thought so, mighty keyboard-warrior. And I will STFU now. Suggest the same to you.