It’s both a hazard for emergencies as well as a hygienic nightmare. We all see the people leaving without washing their hands!
Primary traffic routes during an emergency have priority. It is a hazard for doors to open into a hallway.
US based architect here: this is the correct answer
Draftsman here, and yup. There’s codes about this.
OP you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Safety if number one reason, slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another. You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward. Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward. Finally, this has nothing to do with architects or interior designer, this is a building code bylaw, as accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.
slamming the open-door in people walking outside the door is another.
That might be true in a small shop, but in a lot of places the bathrooms are recessed into a hallway where nobody who isn’t trying to get into or leave the bathroom should be standing.
You can defend against someone forcing their way in, by using your body weight against door, something you can not do if it swings outward.
Is that really a concern…? The amount of conditions that have to be true for this to become a thing seems really long… boarding on the “your insurance policy covers you if an elephant falls through the roof on the first day of February” cartoon levels of specificity.
Not to mention if you assume a truck stop instead of a restaurant. It might be harder to use your body weight to keep a door closed, but with a proper door frame, deadbolt, and security hinges, it would be basically impossible for some hypothetical attacker to break down the door.
Odor control is another issue, door swing outward will release the smell into next room, rather than contain it with the swing inward.
Um, no it won’t? This is actually backwards the pivot of a door that swings back into a room, will force air out of a room with it swings out. If it swings out, when it closes it’s going to push air back towards the room.
In either case, I’d expect basically no observable impact on the amount of perceivable smell.
accessibility demand the door swing inward for people in a wheelchair so they can operate it.
They still have to get out…? It’s not our handicapped folks are getting stuck in bathrooms are they? And if they are, wouldn’t that be a reason to change this?
this is a building code bylaw,
I’m struggling with the rational
I’m struggling with the rational
Fire codes. There’s laws about this. You can’t have doors swinging into a walkway whether it’s a bathroom door or office door.
That surely doesn’t apply to the situations I discussed above where the bathrooms are recessed (and/or just generally wouldn’t be blocking anything if the door was open).
No, it doesn’t apply to the situation thay only you were talking about.
Inner doors should swing inward because in case of a fire or other emergency, you don’t want to be trapped inside by something blocking the door that you cannot deal with. Even in something were preventing it from swinging open (like a rope or whatever), in theory the person could still get out because the door hinge would be located on their side and they could simply remove it.
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A good poop knife will pop those babies out in no time.
Good to see this has made it over to the fediverse.
Fuck Reddit, I’m leaving and taking the poop knife with me! And anything else that’s not nailed down!
Bathrooms with pull to open handle doors without paper towels are the worst.
I can’t imagine being one of those people that freak out over the littlest thing. I always imagine invader Zim when he learns about germs.
My favorite is bathrooms where you can stand at the urinal and make eye contact with people in the dining room everytime the door opens.
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You reminded me of something I learned about back when I worked at Disney - most of the bathroom doors on property swing the way you’re complaining about for reasons I can’t remember but might be because you’re supposed to have clean hands when exiting the bathroom (wash your damn hands!). But Disney’s Animal Kingdom is different, because if an animal gets loose the bathrooms are designed to keep animals out, most animals are going to have trouble figuring out how to pull open the door to get into the bathroom. Good to know in case their new batch of cheetahs also figures out how to escape.
Ones who want to make it less likely that people get barricaded into a bathroom.
Thank you! Same exact thought, I was telling my friends this a while back, and they said I was making no sense
Architects are psychopaths. So most of them?
You just need to learn the Joe Rogan spinning sidekick.
That gets you in. How do you get back out?
With the same move. But nobody will close the door at all after you’re done.
We need those cool and unnecessarily complicated sci-fi doors that open with multiple stages or like a camera aperture or a Stargate iris.
Fuck that. I want the swish sound sliding doors from the original series of trek.
No. Every. Single. Door has an automated 30 second vault-like opening sequence.
I want the doors from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy that make a sigh sound when they open.
I’m not an expert (at all), but I presume that opening a door into a thoroughfare risks hitting someone with the door but opening into a room only risks a person ready to leave (and approaching the door head on?)
Just thoughts…
One compromise might be touchless door handles
I’ve also seen these at my school, but it doesn’t work for all doors since the door needs to be light enough
Neither of these are that accessible though, and I can’t find photos of the better ones
accessibility shouldn’t prevent improvements, we can just add the foot handles and handicapped people simply keep operating doors like they currently do.
They’ll still be exposed to fewer germs so they benefit anyways.
That’s fair, both options can exist at the same time in this case
Or people could simply wash their damn hands…
Have you met people? They don’t do that.
The arm one is dumb because I’ve seen people with unwashed hands grab it. The foot one makes more sense. Although it’s not accessible like you said.
The arm one is dumb because I’ve seen people with unwashed hands grab it
So? If I can manipulate it with my sleeved arm (thus keeping my hands clean), it’s still working pretty well. Sure, I’d prefer not to have my sleeve contact something that someone’s unwashed hands have been on, but better that than my hand.
Most bathrooms have foot pulls now, it’s not a perfect solution for everyone but it’s better than the alternative.
What’s a foot pull? I’m imagining a floor-level hook that you either use to open the door or break your ankle with
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Most? I do see them often but you definitely live in a different place than I do.
Central Florida.
My shoes are smooth enough to make it impossible to get a grip on them. Not to mention trying to balance while pulling it. Some bathrooms have an arm pull, dobt know how hygienic it is.
