honestly? dukat seems capable of pretending he can get along if conditions permit it.
i have not finished all of ds9 yet (I’m on season 6 at the moment)
winn has never done a single thing that was selfless. ever. she only has served her own purpose in the show. there’s never negotiating with her. she just does evil shit constantly. so badly she got railed into by Kira for being a coward and weak in her faith.
dukat at least has moments of clarity and is a great villain. winn is honestly just…concentrated raw evil. (at least imho)
There is an episode in season 6 where Dukat’s true feelings are laid bare. My opinion of him was never good, but that episode locked it in. He ain’t good, at all.
I feel, as villains go, Dukat and Kilgrave are similar. What you’re talking about is his depth as a character. The best villains have depth, spiraling down and understanding just how bad they are is great.
And then there’s Winn. Historically, religion has been a difficult play in fiction, getting a little too black and white in many cases, such that the depth is not there. Many works lack depth. DS9 manages to pull it off. It’s part of why it’s the best of the series(es?) out there.
Winn feels like “there was an attempt”. The religion worked, but she wasn’t fleshed out enough. Her deal is I’m trying to have faith, but I’m not sure I do because the prophets don’t believe in me, so I’ll go for the power instead. There’s spite there, which is ordinary and boring. Gets better final season, but it wasn’t quite there for making a great character. She serves the plot and that is all.
honestly? dukat seems capable of pretending he can get along if conditions permit it.
i have not finished all of ds9 yet (I’m on season 6 at the moment)
winn has never done a single thing that was selfless. ever. she only has served her own purpose in the show. there’s never negotiating with her. she just does evil shit constantly. so badly she got railed into by Kira for being a coward and weak in her faith.
dukat at least has moments of clarity and is a great villain. winn is honestly just…concentrated raw evil. (at least imho)
There is an episode in season 6 where Dukat’s true feelings are laid bare. My opinion of him was never good, but that episode locked it in. He ain’t good, at all.
from a villain perspective, he is amazing. and yeah I know what episode you mean =( it was the scariest he has ever been in an episode.
fantastic and terrible at the same time. the writing in ds9 is great!
I feel, as villains go, Dukat and Kilgrave are similar. What you’re talking about is his depth as a character. The best villains have depth, spiraling down and understanding just how bad they are is great.
And then there’s Winn. Historically, religion has been a difficult play in fiction, getting a little too black and white in many cases, such that the depth is not there. Many works lack depth. DS9 manages to pull it off. It’s part of why it’s the best of the series(es?) out there.
Winn feels like “there was an attempt”. The religion worked, but she wasn’t fleshed out enough. Her deal is I’m trying to have faith, but I’m not sure I do because the prophets don’t believe in me, so I’ll go for the power instead. There’s spite there, which is ordinary and boring. Gets better final season, but it wasn’t quite there for making a great character. She serves the plot and that is all.