What’s the antithesis of Arrested Development, Firefly or The Big Lebowski? Those may never have ‘found their audience’ but over time seemed to recognised by everyone. What are the deep cuts that you liked but it feels like everyone has completely forgotten they even existed.
Mr Robot is a damn masterpiece and I don’t think I’ve ever participated in or heard a verbal discussion about it. But whenever it pops up in a thread or comment section there’s always tons of people giving it praise.
I know the camera operator that shot Mr Robot. They created a completely new camera framing language. Breaking the norms and conventions. It really deserves more recognition than it got.
Could you discuss a bit more what you mean by new camera framing language?
I thought nothing could top Breaking Bad, but then I watched Mr. Robot.
The creativity, cinematography and unique ideas in that are outstanding. The episode with almost no dialogue is particularly brilliant.
The episode with almost no dialogue is particularly brilliant.
Despite not liking most of the last season, I agree that episode is brilliant. I did not even notice there wasn’t any dialogue while watching it, I was that captivated.
I watched the first season and found it cringe.
First season is the best, it actually gets much worse after that. Shows tries extra hard to be edgy, graphic and “weird”. It also becomes less and less about hacking, which was the most interesting part of the show.
THANK YOU. I couldn’t get past the god-damned teenage angst.
I don’t know the last time I fell off a show so hard. It sets up this amazing conspiracy plot with dramatic cloak-and-dagger stuff, all supported by interesting characters I wanted to see more of, and then it completely went off the rails into addiction and petty crime.
I’m sure that stuff gets relevant later but it felt like I was watching a different show. Completely lost interest.
It just feels so Reddit
I think you’re supposed to see that and see that it’s cringe though. I still couldn’t get into it though. I watched the first season and half of the second and it didn’t do it for me
My partner and I had the same experience. I kept powering through because I had heard from some folks OH IT IS SO GENIUS AND AMAZING but it felt… awful.
The first season was “so bad it’s funny” for me, I never got the praise.
I thought the ending was atrocious tbh, had it been as strong as the early show I would’ve been talking about it!
Dredd, highly praised by fan and critics; Also a recent one Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves no buzz but high praise overall.
Honor Among Thieves was so good. I couldn’t stop geeking out over how much D&D was in it. They even cameo’d the freaking Animated Series party! It’s nuts.
It’s the first time I’ve unexpectedly felt, “Wow, that was so fun!” since maybe Zombieland or The Lego Movie. The definition of a “fun movie,” it was so much better than I expected.
Dredd had a really poor advertising campaign. I think the first trailer only came out a few weeks before it’s release when for other films it’s months in advance.
I think the first footage I saw was actually a VFX breakdown that somehow made it’s way into YouTube but it didn’t stay there long.
There was a big campaign to get a sequel and Dredd on Blu-ray rose to #1 in the Amazon sales charts.
One of the executive producers, Adi Shankar, explained in a YouTube video that he appreciated the effort but the big problem was the box office returns. Everyone who invested made a loss, so no one wanted to invest in a sequel.
Rebellion were going to make a Mega City One series which may have had appearances from Dredd occasionally but I think that project has stalled.
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The Dredd: the Musical parody is pretty good.
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If I remember correctly here in German it was marketed as “Dredd 3D”, which turned me off at the time.
I think the worst thing about Dredd not getting a sequel is people who only see it will think he was just a generic action hero.
it is absolutely baffling to me that Dredd (2012) has a better review score than Judge Dredd (1995) (a far superior movie in my opinion).
both are good for different reasons
Dredd was fun don’t get me wrong, but i feel like it dropped a lot of the good themes and sci-fi worldbuilding of the original in favor of a pretty generic (if competently executed) action shoot-em-up.
Blade Runner 2049. Extremely highly rated, just wasn’t popular enough
People just don’t have the patience anymore to soak in a mood and atmosphere while a story slowly unfolds.
I feel like it also wasn’t marketed at all. The only reason I knew about it is because I check what’s playing in IMAX every month.
I never saw a single ad or any hype for it
I must say that I felt the atmosphere was forced in 2049. In the original, the atmosphere was part of the setting and not lingered over. 2049 forced the audience to look at it, “soak” in it as you say, and I thought it was detrimental to the progress of the film. JMO, of course. Still a great movie.
I watched Blade Runner 2049 about half year after its release, and about 15 years after I watched the firs movie. My reaction was “I do not understand all the criticism of 2049 - it is a good movie”. And then I decided to rewatch the first movie. And then I understood. And that’s despite of the fact that the first movie is really old.
It’s a worthy successor to the original, which is remarkable.
I missed seeing the original in theaters (just a bit too young, then only got to see it on VHS) but caught a theatrical showing with my son and his friend just before 2049 came out and man, two great flicks to see on the big screen. TV just do not do these types of movies justice.
Blade Runner PC game by westwood was also amazing, but didnt seem to get any traction.
Fucking fantastic game, though. Everyone should play it… theres an enhanced now, so you don’t have to do the weirdo workaround shit with the 16bit installer.
Like, it’s fine, but I don’t feel like it was anything special?
If you’ve only seen it once, I’d recommend a rewatch. I feel like subsequent viewings just get better.
Not enough people understand how great of a show Bojack Horsman was.
Absolutely love that show. I kinda have to be in a good headspace to watch it though, cause it has definitely had a negative impact on my own depressive thoughts before. But that show can be so damn cathartic and just a great watch overall
It’s popular and well-loved, but I agree - I always say that the penultimate episode of the final season is the greatest episode of television ever made.
It would be if they hadn’t chickened out with the last episode. Unfortunately that kind of tarnishes the impact of the penultimate episode in hindsight.
Interesting I thought the last episode was the perfect ending. Cause it’s so grounded. No cheesy happy end, no sensational bad end, just a very grounded “yea shit happens in live and you gotta keep on living and deal with it”, cause that’s how live actually is for most people.
What would you have preferred the ending be?
I still think the finale of The Good Place beats it, but the competition is close!
I really enjoyed Equilibrium (2002). Is it derivative of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451? Absolutely. But so was V for Vendetta.
It’s a B level film that still packs a punch today, particularly in a dystopian era of politics. The message of learning to connect continues to be relevant in a hyper connected, but shallow relational landscape.
If I could get a version of the movie with the swish sounds removed then it’d be 10/10. I love that movie
not without incident.
Don’t forget that it’s riding heavily on the cinematic style of The Matrix. Doesn’t matter though, still an excellent movie, especially if you watched it as a teenager!
Better Off Ted is still my favorite sitcom. Corporate came along and tried to pick up the mantle, but I still prefer Ted.
Yes! I was thinking of this when I wrote the question. I feel like it was great and just totally disappeared.
I kept thinking about it’s parody ads when all those ‘we’re in this together’ ads kept playing during the start of the pandemic.
I would upvote this fifty times if I could. Better Off Ted was an absolute gem.
Loved Better Off Ted. I still use Veronica’s “I’m going though a tunnel…” line when speaking to someone in-person.
The hair is up. That’s all they hear.
I often quote “deal with it, Ted”
Little Miss Sunshine
Hilarious indie comedy. I’ve never heard of anyone disliking it, but it also almost never gets brought up.
Only when colour blind tests come up
Such a good movie and a great showcase of Steve Carrell’s (and the rest of the cast’s) range, managing to be heartbreaking and laugh out loud funny throughout the movie.
Stargate. Had a long run with good viewership and multiple series, but has had very little cultural impact compared to trek/wars. Sg1 can stand up to any trek series
I always thought that Stargate: Universe was a Firefly situation. Maybe it was a touch below Battlestar Galactica, but it’s not ludicrous to mention them in the same sentence.
Universe was my favorite of all of Stargate. It asked the best questions and showed how easy it is to die on a super advanced spaceship if there isn’t fresh air and clean water. A shame it is discontinued.
Universe was so fkin bad it killed the whole franchise…
It’s been a long time since I watched, but people mention the way the world actually changes and grows as it progresses. In Star Trek, they use phasors the exact same way for centuries, in Stargate their M.O. completely changes from start to finish of the series.
The good place. It’s fairly short and starts out more of a comedy but evolves into a real ethics lesson. One that a lot of people need to hear.
The Good Place might just be my favorite TV show. It’s just so well done on every level and is one of few sitcoms where the main characters aren’t just terrible people. They’re not perfect or anything, but it’s just nice to see characters earnestly carrying for others and trying to be better people.
Parks and Rec is another show like that (also by Michael Schur) that I just love.
Really underrated!
I watched it, would absolutely recommend.
Take it sleazy.
The Man from Earth is not forgotten, it has never been recognized. I’ve never seen such a great movie. The plot: a bunch of techers talking. That’s it. But that talk is mindblowing.
Just make sure to never - never - watch the sequal
The Last Man on Earth was also amazing and under recognized.
Great watch!
My only gripe was the fact that he actually declared himself as [the one they accused him of being]. I wonder what would have happened if he kept it subtle or even passed it off as “It’s a joke guys” in a convincing manner. Would have been left to audience interpretations and may have increased tension. One may never know.
He didn’t really declare himself as anything during that portion of his story though. He explained how certain misperceptions and misunderstandings led to things getting out of control.
I think I remember someone directly asking him the question and he simply replied. Think you’re right though. Damn humans and their need for answers!
It’s definitely time for a rewatch as my impressions have become hazy. Thanks mate.
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Did you mean Taika Waititi’s TV show (that I didn’t know existed) or Terry Gilliam’s movie? The movie was amazing
EDIT: actually the TV show isn’t out yet, so I guess you don’t mean that
I feel like Children of Men (2006) doesn’t get much recognition for being a chilling view of a future world or the respect it should with it’s amazing long takes and excellent camera work. If possible watch the behind the scenes material about the car rig they built. It’s so cool!
It’s consistently mentioned for both of those aspects, actually. Like, google pretty much any review of the movie and you’re going to see one or both of those things mentioned with almost absolute certainty.
agree it’s not mainstream popular, but defnintly has a sizable following and frequently brought up. for good reason of course
Heroes. The first season was so damn good and then the last writers strike completely killed it.
If memory serves, it was written as a miniseries, not a show that would span multiple seasons. Then the network saw how popular it was and demanded multiple seasons. But the writers had already written all the source material they had expected to.
A lot of great shows were ruined because executives saw dollar signs and demanded more seasons, ruining great story telling and pacing.
Just about every successful Showtime show suffered from this. They just didn’t know when to wrap things up and close up on a high note.
Not a miniseries but more like America Horror Stories, each season would close out and the next one would introduce new heroes with new problems discovering their powers. Like you stated dollar signs, and fear that the public wouldn’t get it.
Remember when Peter’s girlfriend got lost in time and then was never mentioned again…
Vinland Saga taught me that being kind makes me a stronger man and having no hate for anyone, even those who have wronged me will make me a happier person.
It definitely did make a very big impact on many people, and it’s where all the “i have no enemies” memes originate from. But I do wish It had an even larger impact than it did as it’s an answer to the constant fighting and arguments that has taken over many of our lives.
That sounds really interesting as I try (and often fail) to live my life that way.
There was a string of time between 2006 and 2009 where there were AMAZING new long format TV shows coming on… and promptly dying on the vine after a year due to bad advertising or ratings chasing.
Kings was a great TV show that deserved 4 more seasons.
Jericho Was an amazing show, that got dumped by Network after the first season… and the fans were so infuriated that they crowdsourced funding to send over twenty tons of nuts to CBS in protest, Which forced them to greenlight a second season for like…5 or 6 episodes (first season was 22 episodes, as comparison) and left it hanging on a painfully huge cliffhanger. before cancelling it again… Netflix even came forward and offered to buy the series and continue it on Netflix (Which all the actors were 100% on board with), and as a final FUCK YOU to the fans, CBS refused. They hated the show, tried to fuck over its second season hard, and hated the fans… and still refused to sell the rights to someone who would let it flourish.
God, typing this out has made me realize how irrationally angry I still am at CBS over the absolute fuckery they pulled with that show that I cant even think of the other shows at the moment.
Go watch Jericho. Its still a fucking awesome show, despite how much the c-suite hated it.
Any insight into why in the world they’d greenlight Jericho to begin with if they seemed so uninterested in supporting it? It’s certainly not the first show to run into a situation like that, but it’s always kind of interesting to see how the reasoning may vary across businesses with each show.
Probably a The Producers scenario where they expected to make money off its failure, and then it was successful and cost them more than they wanted since they betted against it.
Only reason I can think of. Only reason that makes any logical sense.
Jericho was awesome, didn’t know it was treated like that.
