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If you solely focus on how the victims

i am not solely focusing on victims. i am explaining that out of the two factors, there is only one of them which you have really under control, and it is not the potential attacker’s behaviour, it is yours.

you, on the other way, are bent to explain that you are not responsible for your risky behaviour, which makes YOU part of the problem.

i hope you will never have to find out the hard way that real world can’t be tackled by shouting on the internet.

Here it is. I was wondering

here it is for the second fucking time, so the sick burn you think you are delivering just shows how much attention you are paying.

It’s because you think

i don’t “think” - it is observable fact. meat-eater will give you unsolicited information about their diet far more likely than any vegan. the fact you don’t think about it as proselytizing when your side does it is exactly the point i am talking about (1). church missionaries, in analogy, are also not “just somebody trying to share something they enjoyed”.

they will also say stuff like “here comes my dinner” below a photo of living animal, or “i will have two steaks today, just to offset for this vegan, haha”, just so there is no doubt about their intentions.

I especially liked how you compared meat eaters sharing pictures of their meat based meals to people wanting to supress LGBT representation.

hey, you got something right, good job! you tried to deflect with bad sarcasm, but at least you got it. for further info on the analogy, see point one above.

i think your argument stays. photography is a mix of lot more things and attributes than just resolution.

you people do understand it is fake, and if you zoom on the top right eye, it is not the same as bottom right, right?

ok, so to my surprise, it seems to be possible. the difference in the eye may be result of multiple layers of shitty jpeg compression.

the author has more pictures on his web - https://www.pjvphotography.com/Fauna/Pikas

Again, my point is just as valid as the person

again - no, it is not. you don’t even understand the point.

anecdotal evidence is not very rigorous proof (though i assume there is not much formal research done in this area), but that is not the point.

see, while person claiming he never met a vegetarian doing that can indeed confirm the fact, you have no way of confirming majority of vegetarians you met were doing that. because you have no way of counting the vegetarians you met not doing that.

so while the other person can confirm the low number, you have no way to confirm your perceived high one. your argument fails to work even in the framework of the anecdotal evidences.

but has met multiple non-vegans spamming pictures of meat at vegans to… try and convert them. Are you kidding me? Who the fuck does something like that

lot of meat eaters. it is just that you do it so habitually you don’t even realize you are doing that. you will just come to an image of a cow saying “hey, my steak is coming” thinking you are funny.

here you have few of them, who just felt the need to share their steak or stupid joke without being asked:

vegans share their thoughts when it becomes topic of the conversation - it is really the meat eaters who will shout out of the blue “uh uh, mah steak!”, because they feel everyone needs to hear it.

it is similar to when people say “you know, i don’t mind gays, but do they really have to shove it to everyone’s face on their pride parades?” without realizing that the fucking carneval in rio is exactly that - a straight pride parade - you just don’t realize it, because it is “normal” to you".

they deserved to be harmed.

most people do not deserve to be harmed.

it is a hyperbole - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

and it is commonly used phrase in a situation where you face consequences of your own bad decision. so if you are discussing in good faith, stop deflecting.

For the first part, how do you know it is a sketchy neighborhood?

it is generally known information. this is a sketchy neighborhood and everyone in the city, including me, knows that.

You could easily walk into a situation you have no way to know is a bad situation through no fault of your own.

yes, i could have, but that is not what happened in the case i am describing, so lets not deflect and talk about the case i am presenting.

If you get robbed, the blame still falls on the perpetrator. The person did not deserve to be robbed.

the blame is on both of us. the robber should not rob me, but i KNOWINGLY committed risky act and faced the consequences.

• “why did you do it?”
• “well, they shouldn’t have robbed me”
• “but why the fuck would you do it, everyone knows this couldn’t end well”
• “but they shouldn’t have robbed me”
• “NOT THE FUCKING POINT. WHY DID YOU DO SOMETHING SO RISKY, when you could have just walked around?”

The car analogy does not have anything to do with this situation. You would be walking into a space where you knew you were likely to get hurt

the car analogy has everything to do with the situation. you commit risky act, because you so focus on your perceived “rights” that you forget to use your brain. sometime you have to act to protect your rights, and if you don’t, naively believing that everyone will just respect them, that you will sometimes end up facing consequences.

All of the little details point to this not being the case and they just mentioned the gynecologist for engagement bait.

all the little details point to exactly nothing. the gynecologist might very well be just engagement bait, in which case this discussion is indeed pointless.

your entire point is bullshit. you have no idea how many vegetarians, who did not bother to share their thoughts with you, you met.

Later it states 1193 videos were made from 133,000 cameras that were hacked, so while nobody but the people with the data can say for sure, it is quite possible it was just a lobby camera.

ok, that’s fair point. i will admit i have originally reacted just to copied lede without reading the details, i did not really expect that remark to turn into such discussion.

Yes, but your argument is that people should have gone elsewhere. People are just giving you pretty reasonable explanations as to why they might not have simply gone to another doctor.

and that argument stays. if the camera was in fact visible in the exam room (speculation indeed), then walking away would be the only reasonable reaction. i assume that some first line gynecologist don’t perform some critical emergency procedures (and even if so, they would be just fraction of their services) that would really not allow you to wait and go elsewhere. sooner or later, someone should notice and raise an alarm.

Assuming the camera was visible and in the exam room is just that, an assumption

of course it is an assumption. i am reacting within some parameters outside of which this discussion does not make sense.

You can justify victim blaming all you want, but the fact of the matter is the blame lies solely on the perpetrator.

advocating common sense is not victim blaming. playing a victim card is not going to help you when something bad happens to you. https://lemmy.zip/post/54116147/23096002

You can, and should, have situational awareness, but that is something that comes with experience and practice. Not everyone can prepare for every situation.

and one should assume that at least some of the women who were patients there had one. it only takes one person to raise an alarm in situation like that.

It shouldn’t matter!

it shouldn’t matter, but it does. shouting about it on the internet does not change that. and it is not even about sex. if i go to some sketchy neighborhood with 20k$ camera around my neck, i am asking for a trouble, and it is smart thing to think about it beforehand and adapt. whether it should or shouldn’t matter does not matter (pun intended).

it is like a pedestrian walking in front of a speeding car, getting hit by it and then complaining “they were in the right”. how does it matter, when you are still the one being hit by a car?

You don’t know anything about the context or what patients have said and done in this clinic. You just assume everyone knew about it and was OK with it.

You don’t know anything about the context or what patients have said and done in this clinic. You just assume everyone knew about it and was OK with it.

yeah, i am speculating little bit. but if there were some sensitive materials captured, that means the camera was running for some time and no one did anything so impactful it would change. i am not expert of south korean law, but such camera would be major breach of privacy and straight up illegal anywhere in eu, and i assume in us as well, i see their hipaa cited often.

It says nothing about it being in an exam room, could have been in the lobby

i’ll go out on a limb here and say that records from the lobby don’t make very good “sexploitation” material

Could have been hidden as others have said

the article is about camera hacks, not cameras hidden by some peeping tom

Could have simply gone unnoticed since people would not expect a camera in exam rooms

“some” might not, but again, there is no indication these were purposely hidden cameras, so lot of them should.

There are a lot of people to potentially blame here, none of which are the victims

being a victim does not absolve you of responsibility. it does not make any assault that may have happened to you allright, but if you contributed to a situation with a bad decision, the fact you were attacked suddenly does not change that decision into smart one.

https://lemmy.zip/post/54116147/23095684

What the actual fuck? This is victim blaming!

what the actual fuck, no, it is not. the victim status does not absolve you of a responsibility. if you get mugged going through a sketchy neighborhood, that does not make it ok for a robber, but it is a valid question whether it was really good idea for you to go there.

It obviously is a bad idea to have cameras in places like a gynecologist clinic.

it obviously is, but no one seemed to mind, otherwise someone would go to complain about it.

instead of actually talking about the people who put the cameras there??

there is one person who got stupid idea to put the camera there, and there is hundreds or maybe thousands of patients who could have stopped them by telling them they lost their mind and/or going to complain to authorities, and instead they shrugged their shoulders and did nothing.

we are responsible for the world around us. if we just shrug our shoulders when it is not going the way we like it, we can’t be surprised when it is going the other way. sometimes it is not easy, sometimes it is relatively easy and this is the later.

vegan, crossfitter, linux user and rapsberry pi owner walked into the bar, ordered a beer and minded their own business, but dave mortis really had a need to tell us about it.

They may not have noticed the cameras

we are talking about cameras being hacked, not about cameras being purposely hidden by some creeping tom.

not have a choice to go elsewhere in a reasonable time

oh really? how many patients do you think come to gynecologist’s office with such urgent condition they can’t go elsewhere?

https://vocabdictionary.com/explained/what-is-the-what-if-fallacy/

so you will let your gynecology treatment record on some security camera, because some other gynecologist might be rapist? you weren’t able to find more absurd nonsense to defend your position?

1. what is the likelihood that random other gynecologist is a rapist?
2. what are you smoking? i want to try some of that.

patients of the clinic could have said “are you fucking kidding me?” and go elsewhere and they did not.

gynaecologist’s clinic

who in their right mind puts a camera in medical exam room and who in their right mind goes there to receive any kind of treatment, thinking “yeah, this camera does not bother me at all”?

sometimes people really do get what they deserve 🤷‍♂️

karaoke rooms

this must have been the worst swingers party ever

don’t call me house.