• limonfiesta@lemmy.world
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    Are you proposing that people should have to obtain a government-issued licenses for private interpersonal relationships?

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      Keywords are: violent and reoffending.

      I’m suggesting that we actually rehabilitate offenders after they offend to give them better tools to deal with their emotions and relationships to prevent more hurt from happening.

      Plenty of people that commit certain crimes have conditions for re-entering society in whole and I don’t think what I’m suggesting is unreasonable.

      I’m a firm believer in rehabilitative and restorative justice, not criminal justice/punitive punishment (which is a far cry from justice and punitive justice doesn’t properly disincentivize crime).

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          Just untrue. Your twisting is not reflective of what I was saying at all.

          The current system punishes people who commit domestic violence, and chances are, they go straight back to relationships and are incentivized to scare their partner to not report further abuse because they have been taught nothing through their punishment.

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            Plenty of people that commit certain crimes have conditions for re-entering society in whole and I don’t think what I’m suggesting is unreasonable.

            You are suggesting government issued licenses/permission for private people to engage in private relationships.

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                they should be disallowed from participating in a close, intimate relationship

                The legal mechanisms required to enforce that would be some form of government permission and approval structure, such as licensing.

                No amount of rhetorical flourish can get away from what they are essentially presenting, which is requiring government permission for interpersonal relationships.

                How would the government track an individuals approval for personal private relationships?

                How would the government enforce penalties on private citizens who engaged in an unauthorized private relationships?

                And then we get to some fun questions, like what happens if the government privatizes the relationship approval system that OP is proposing?

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                  Why couldn’t you just respond like that to me?

                  The legal mechanisms required to enforce that would be some form of government permission and approval structure, such as licensing.

                  False.


                  For example, if one is a sex offender/domestic violence perpetrator in the US, they can be disallowed to have a relationship as part of their probation. Therapy can also be a requirement for probation.

                  How would the government track an individuals approval for personal private relationships?

                  How would the government enforce penalties on private citizens who engaged in an unauthorized private relationships?

                  There are probation officers who handle these cases and violating the terms of probation usually results in a loss of freedom/punishment of the person serving probation.

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                    The state has different obligations to protect children than they do adults. Which is why we have things like drinking age laws and legal concepts such as in loco parentis.

                    You are completely removing the agency of adults to make their own choices, and instead, inserting the government into those relationships, under the penalty of incarceration and government sanctioned violence, for the crime of having an unauthorized interpersonal consensual relationship between two adults.

                    And that’s only taking your proposal at face value and ignoring the plethora of unintended consequences, such as perverse political incentives and privatization.

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              Nope. I’m suggesting that people who offend (especially reoffenders) should go to therapy (locked ward) instead of prison and be taught how to be functioning human beings who don’t hurt others, especially those close to them. The sentence would be similar to their incarceration.

              What I’m suggesting is akin to a prison sentence and probation (which may have terms and conditions).

              You are acting like I’m talking about all people, but I’m limiting this to people who commit violent, domestic crime against others, especially repeatedly.

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                Lundy Bancroft is known for conducting the very thing you seem to be describing. If you haven’t already you should check out his works.

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                  Never heard of this person, but given that there are accusations against them that are at the forefront of search results I’m unsure if I feel it prudent to expose myself to their works.